176: From Company Driver to Owner-Operator: Taking Control of Your Destiny

This week on the Oakley Podcast, host Jeremy Kellett chats with Dean and Cindy Fournier. Dean is an Owner-Operator at Oakley Trucking. During this conversation, Dean discusses his decision to leave a toxic work environment and become an owner-operator at Oakley Trucking. His wife, Cindy, supports his decision and shares insights about misconceptions of truck drivers. They discuss the financial stability and opportunities provided by Oakley, the importance of saving for unexpected expenses, having family support as an owner-operator, and more. 

Key topics in today’s conversation include:

  • Dean’s background and journey in trucking (2:02)
  • The toxic work environment and the decision to become an owner operator (9:13)
  • Support from Cindy and overcoming naysayers (10:16)
  • The challenges and changes in the trucking industry (13:48)
  • Truckers are caring and smart individuals (19:20)
  • Challenges and skills required for truck driving (20:08)
  • Advice for aspiring owner-operators (22:16)
  • Final thoughts and takeaways (24:02)

Oakley Trucking is a family-owned and operated trucking company headquartered in North Little Rock, Arkansas. For more information, check out our show website: podcast.bruceoakley.com.


Dean Fournier  00:12

It was just a really bad situation where I was in a toxic environment and not just wanted out of it and not that company drivers can’t make a good living because any do I kind of wanted to control my destiny, you know, so to speak.

Jeremy Kellett  00:29

So did you know anybody at Oakley?

Cindy Fournier  00:31

He researched all about you. 

Dean Fournier  00:33

Yes, I researched. I knew about Oakley, obviously from being in trucking industry anyway.

Jeremy Kellett  00:38

How long did it take you to get on board Cindy? I mean, pretty quick.

Cindy Fournier  00:43

I don’t say no, I usually don’t. Because when he comes to me with something I know he said his breaking point. And he’s had enough that I knew how unhappy he was.

Dean Fournier  00:50

I couldn’t have done it without the support. 

Jeremy Kellett  00:51

Welcome to the Oakley podcast, trucking, business, and family. This show is brought to you by Oakley Trucking, headquartered in North Little Rock, Arkansas. The purpose of this podcast is to communicate with Oakley owner-operators and their families by giving them up-to-date information concerning Oakley Trucking and the trucking industry. From business advice to safety updates to success stories. Also to give an inside to outside truck drivers that might be interested in joining the Oakley family. Hi this is Jeremy Kellett, Director of Recruiting here at Oakley Trucking and I’m your host for this podcast. This is the opening podcast, trucking, business and family. Once again, I appreciate everybody listening to this podcast, you know, we have just topped 20,000 subscribers on YouTube who would have ever thought 20,000 people would want to listen to this or watching you know, but thank goodness you do I mean, we spread the word we’d love to, you know, there’s like three and a half million truck drivers in the country. I’d kind of like to have three and a half million subscribers, you know is our goal to spread the word about Oakley trucking, the Oakley podcast and get it out there the best you can and help us. If you think of anything you want to hear something interesting. You know, because sometimes I struggle to come up with some content, which I’m sure you all know, because you watch it and go. That was not very good to me. But you know, we do our best to try to come up with some good stuff for you. But I love your input on different things. And you know, I’ve get a couple every week and I’m trying to follow up with some of that stuff to make it good. So I’m I can give you some good episodes every week. So but the ones I like to tell you are our owner operators. They just seem to resonate with the listener base that we have out there and I find it interesting and I just love to get to know our owner operators even better than what I do and and that’s what I got for you this week.

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Jeremy Kellett  03:10

I have got Dean and Cindy Fornia. Sitting down with me their owner operators, him and his wife, she doesn’t drive but we’re going to talk to her a little bit if I can get her to talk. And Dean, you know, has been with us a while in our pneumatic division and we’re gonna visit with him a little bit about about their life, their trucking life and their marriage and how is how trucking has been a big part of their life. And it’s always good to hear stuff like that. Coming from our owner operator. So let’s get started with it. Dean Sandy, how are y’all doing?

Dean Fournier  03:42

Doing? Well, thanks for asking, Hey,

Jeremy Kellett  03:43

Joe coming and doing this next with me. I mean, it’s, you know, I know it’s a little nerve wracking at first, but it’ll be alright. We’ll get through it. And it’s good. First of all, y’all are from Atmore. Alabama at more Alabama. How long have you lived there? Oh, boy. There were you born and raised. But no,

Dean Fournier  04:02

I was actually born in Connecticut. And Cindy’s from actually born in Tennessee, raised in Northland raised in Orlando, but I’ve been in Atmore since I was, I think five years old. Okay, for quite a while. I mean, I’m not gonna give away my age, but I’m pretty old. I’ve been there just about all my life.

Jeremy Kellett  04:22

So how long have you been driving a truck D.

Dean Fournier  04:24

I started in the late 90s. I think 9697 9797 I had worked construction prior to that I was a pipe fitter, and traveled all around us, you know, doing shutdown work and stuff. And I was making great money. And all of a sudden, we we found out that we’re having our firstborn. And so I said, You know what, I want to do something different. And I really didn’t even discuss this with her. I was like, I come home from a shutdown, you know, and she’s like, Well, where are you going to next I said, Well I don’t think I’m going anywhere. She’s like what? You know, we got a baby due in a few months. I said, I think I’m gonna go get my CDL driver truck. She’s like, What? Yeah, so that turned out to be like, the best decision I ever made because it led to so many other opportunities for. So I decided to, you know, get my CDL. And that led to other opportunities. They all drove for several years, and then I had the opportunity to actually go into management. So I started in safety, and then worked my way up through that to actually safety director. Oh, really? Yeah. And I did that for several years. So imagine

Cindy Fournier  05:38

my surprise when he comes home and says he’s gonna go back and drive a truck. Yeah, cuz I mean, he’s home. I

Dean Fournier  05:44

was on the side of it for you know, a long time. So

Jeremy Kellett  05:46

how long did you drive a truck? I was

Dean Fournier  05:49

six years straight drive and then went in the office. And I was still driving here. And they’re, you know, doing things you know, was, it was a few years over the road. Yes. So guys over the road,

Jeremy Kellett  06:00

and then y’all had your child at this time? To at this time? Yeah. Y’all were married prior to truck driving?

Cindy Fournier  06:07

Yep. Okay. He was gone for a long time. When I was pregnant with our first one. I saw him three times in nine months.

Dean Fournier  06:13

Yeah. And then that was working construction. So that’s why I said, you know, I want to do something different and be home more. And crazy thing is a truck and actually did put me home more. But you know, it’s a lot of people would say, Oh, you went from construction to truck and to be home. But that doesn’t sound right. But it worked for me now. Yeah. And then

Jeremy Kellett  06:33

you got moved into the inside the office? Yeah. I was She probably thought was great. Oh, yeah, I

Dean Fournier  06:39

was home every day. I mean, actually, I worked. I mean, what was two or three miles from the house? You know, and Atmore. Alabama has about four red lights? Yes. Yeah, there’s no traffic jam unless there’s a train coming through.

Jeremy Kellett  06:52

So let me back up. How

Dean Fournier  06:53

did y’all get to Atmore? So, my my grandmother, and well,

Jeremy Kellett  06:58

how did y’all even back up even further? Because you’re born in Connecticut? She was in Tennessee.

Cindy Fournier  07:05

Yeah, I went to college in Pensacola, which is right, right near at Moore. Okay. And we met when she

Dean Fournier  07:12

was yeah, she was working at a video store in town. You know, game room, video store, whatever used to go in there with my buddies and aggravator. Okay, and she hated me. I hated him. She hated me. Yeah. Bug the crap out of her. And yeah, somehow another I ended up winning her over and you know, 32 years later, here we are in that something? Yeah. Yep.

Jeremy Kellett  07:32

That’s great story. So you hit so been together 32 years. And you’re now in the safety department of a trucking company. Right? Yeah. And you’d come home and go, Oh, yeah, I’m getting back into drug. Well.

Cindy Fournier  07:47

I met before though, when he came to tell me he had it all laid out. It wasn’t just this, Hey, this is what I’m doing. Yeah, he had his plan all out for me where I could see it. So I didn’t

Dean Fournier  07:57

always grow out unhappy with my situation. And I didn’t see where it was going to get any better. And so I decided that I wanted to get back in the truck. And but I didn’t just want to be a company driver. So I wanted to buy one and lay that all out to her. She’s like, what? And I said, Yeah, so you know, I think I want to, I think I want to buy a truck and lease to Oakley and I told her all about Oakley and, you know, at that time, but right after the conversation with her that her and I had I think I spoke with JP Oh, yeah. And he, you know, he’s

Jeremy Kellett  08:35

the what years this?

Dean Fournier  08:36

This is 2019 Okay, so he, you know, was real good with, you know, all the info. And at that time, I didn’t have truck I was looking for a truck. So found one and then I’ll call him back a week or two later, you know, we got everything set up. And then next thing you know, I was in orientation, you know, so I mean, it was pretty quick. Thankfully, at that time, you know, it wasn’t we didn’t have the waiting, period, you know, pretty quick. So

Cindy Fournier  09:00

you hadn’t even turned in your notice?

Dean Fournier  09:03

No, I went back to driving turned in my notice on the other job yet. I went and, you know, he took his vacation, took vacation when did everything and you know, came back and because I didn’t want to miss a beat. So

Jeremy Kellett  09:13

I want to back up on that. Here’s my plan. Because, you know, to go from a comfortable job, you know, where the wife’s happy and everything’s got a weekly paycheck to hey, I’m gonna buy my own truck and make this next step. Whatever possessed you to even want to do that? I’m sure she’s asked that question before.

Cindy Fournier  09:34

Oh, I know. How do you know the answer? I know how miserable he was.

Dean Fournier  09:37

Yeah, I really was it was just a really bad situation where it was and toxic. The toxic environment and I just wanted out of it and and, you know,

Jeremy Kellett  09:50

company driver was not

Dean Fournier  09:52

I know because I you know, not that company. Drivers can’t make a good living because they do kind of wanted to control my Destiny, you know, so to speak, and, you know, be an owner operator, you know, but I didn’t want to, obviously didn’t want to fully do it with my own authority, you know, with all of the responsibilities that come with that, too. Right. So

Jeremy Kellett  10:15

did you know anybody at Oakley

Dean Fournier  10:17

did not hear research all about you? Yes. researched. Now, I knew about Oakley, obviously, from being in trucking industry anyway. But the company that I was working for actually had, you know, did business with Oakley, so Oh, yeah, yeah. So, you know, I knew I knew a lot about it. But, you know, how

Jeremy Kellett  10:38

long did it take you to get on boards? And I mean, pretty quick.

Dean Fournier  10:43

Yeah, it wasn’t.

Cindy Fournier  10:45

I think I don’t say no, I usually don’t. Because when he comes to me with something I know, he said his breaking point. Yeah. And he’s had enough and I knew how unhappy he was. So it was support. I mean, he just had it all laid out.

Dean Fournier  10:58

I couldn’t have done it without the support. Yeah. I mean, that’s really key.

Jeremy Kellett  11:02

I think that you’re exactly right. It’s something that’s overlooked in the trucking world. And but especially becoming an owner operator, because you have so many naysayers out there that you’re crazy for monitoring

Dean Fournier  11:14

the wrong time. Yeah,

Cindy Fournier  11:16

you got all of that? Oh, yeah, you did. Oh, and yeah, he got it from everybody. Why are you doing that

Dean Fournier  11:22

is crazy. You’ll go broke in a year, blah, blah, blah. Yeah,

Cindy Fournier  11:27

that his whole personality demeanor changed when he got out of that toxic situation. Yeah.

Dean Fournier  11:33

And being here in the environment that that’s here at Oakley is you know, it’s really nurturing. You know, you guys are fantastic for first time owner operator anyway, right. But it’s just been really good. I mean, you know, everybody’s been very nice.

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Jeremy Kellett  12:37

Did you start out on pneumatic?

Dean Fournier  12:39

No, I was on Endo. Okay. Yeah. And I just made the switch to pneumatic about seven months ago.

Jeremy Kellett  12:45

Okay, how are you liking that? I like it, I

Dean Fournier  12:47

really do in our team. And it was you probably hear this quite a bit, but way different, you know, the just the end up mentality, I had to get rid of that, you know, because you know, you’re just geared to go and you know, you got to, you know, meet these certain deadlines and timelines for customers. And it’s a little more laid back with pneumatic, you know, so it’s just a

Jeremy Kellett  13:13

little more specific, based on product.

Dean Fournier  13:17

Yeah, it is unreal. Dean, we deal with a lot of 24 hour customers on this. So you know, you’re not really up against your clock, so to speak, you know, the guys out there understand, you know, how that is, but But man, I like it, you know, I got started as a dispatcher. He’s really good, you know, communicates very well. Yeah. So all

Jeremy Kellett  13:40

these years you put in trucking inside the office and outside? What’s, what are some of the major changes you’ve seen? That has been a challenge?

Dean Fournier  13:48

Technology is as much as it helps get hurt. You know, I now know you guys know that and hear that too. But you know, when I first started driving it, we were on the old hours of service, we were on paper logs back then, you know, and rarely did you see or have a GPS back then. And if you did, it wasn’t a trucking GPS. Right. So there’s a lot of things that are not a lot of technology. I mean, I embrace it, but I also feel that it’s you know, it’s hard to

Jeremy Kellett  14:20

know, one of the biggest challenges somebody really ain’t challenges at design. Yeah.

Dean Fournier  14:24

In you know, challenges, and there’s lower, there’s so much more traffic out there. You know, you’re not

Jeremy Kellett  14:30

playing in a ditch. Exactly. The technology. The technology. Points.

Dean Fournier  14:35

Yeah. Oh, yeah. There’s not a car that passes by that’s not Yeah, yeah. on their phone. So, yeah, a lot of challenges there parking, you know, truckstops have changed, you know, just there’s so many changes, regulatory overreach. You know, it’s just, it gets worse and worse as you’re, you know,

Jeremy Kellett  14:54

how, Cindy you’ve been married to a truck driver for a long time. There’s So it’s well known that I think the stigma is anyway that truck drivers and marriages don’t jive very, you know, very often there’s, I don’t know, any statistics, but I would say the divorce rate in amongst truck drivers and, you know, probably pretty high, it’s probably pretty high, just because of the going factor for the most part. Sounds like though you’ve done I mean, you’ve heard a job where you can’t have been home for the most part, but has it been sending, you know, being married to a truck driver for for this long? And what have you had to do? What would you tell somebody that just about to marry a drunk driver?

Cindy Fournier  15:41

I mean, I just have to support him mostly in what he’s doing, because I know what he’s doing out there. But I have to have more responsibility at home, which I knew that going in. Luckily, our girls are grown. I mean, so I don’t have any juggling kids at home. And, but he still hears it, because they’re still

Jeremy Kellett  15:56

at home. But that was a struggle when they were young. I mean, it was hard trying

Cindy Fournier  16:01

to Yeah, you know, juggle with them. But there was no cell phone then, like what you talked about earlier. I mean, I’d have to call his dispatcher and say, Hey, call me. But now I call him for everything. And usually it’s, what are you doing now? Because I’m trying to fix something. I try to fix it myself before I ever call him. He’s taking care

Dean Fournier  16:17

of all the stuff on the home front, you know, when I’m not home? Or you know, all right, I guess, within her abilities. I should say

Cindy Fournier  16:28

that because of what he’s doing. I was able to retire. Yeah. Oh, wow. I was a teacher for 27 years. Really? In COVID. In first grade, just

Jeremy Kellett  16:36

you taught first grade for 27 years.

Dean Fournier  16:40

Plant test. Yeah. So you know, when it came time, and she’s like, you know, I’m just just so unhappy with the way you know, the school systems are teaching whatever, I simply just retire. Yeah. Well, I can’t Yes, you can. Now promise you can. So

Cindy Fournier  16:56

being here without him being here at Oakley. Yeah.

Dean Fournier  16:59

I mean, it’s, that’s, it’s been really financially rewarding in that respect to allow her to be able to retire. That feels

Jeremy Kellett  17:06

good. Yes, it does, and be able to do that, and know you’re gonna be okay. Because we’ve probably all seen those days when we can’t quit our job. You know, in raising three kids and

Cindy Fournier  17:20

I have friends that, you know, they can’t quit. Yeah, yeah, they just can’t do it.

Jeremy Kellett  17:24

Yeah. We’ve been fortunate. Fortunately, it’s good place to be financially, which was one of my questions. That was Yeah. Good place to be financially. Yeah. When you’re comfortable. Thank goodness. Yep. Oakley Trucking is 100% Owner Operator company. We specialize in Hopper bottom in dump and pneumatic trailers. We provide the trailer free of charge and you provide the truck. We have a large customer base that reaches the whole United States as well as parts of Canada. Our owner operators live anywhere from Texas to North Carolina to Pennsylvania to Wisconsin and everywhere in between and we get them home weekend. We take it seriously when you join Oakley trucking because we need you to be successful. Oakley offers great benefits and competitive mileage pay. So you know that when your wheels are turning, you’re generating money. No matter if you’re loaded or empty. We understand that you want to make a good living and that you make our living. We only take on independent contractors and to be honest with you, we are very particular on who we lease on. You must have a good driving record good work history and clean, dependable truck. So if you’re interested in Oakley trucking or just wants more information, you can go to Oakley trucking.com. Listen to our weekly podcast, the Oakley podcast and subscribe to our YouTube channel. What are some of the misconceptions you think the general public has about truck drivers that she would like to clarify

Cindy Fournier  18:44

on that one? I think they’re lazy. They think they’re lazy and don’t work. And oh, yeah, you know, us. I see

Jeremy Kellett  18:50

some of those cars.

Cindy Fournier  18:52

Oh, yeah. When and I don’t ever like to talk about golf. I don’t ever like to talk money. Somebody was this a co worker was saying something about him going to be a truck driver after leaving being a safety director. And was telling me just how much her husband made and I pretty much shamed her. I told him I said, I’m sorry. I said, you know, I don’t ever like to talk about your salary. So but I just had it up to here with, you know, her talking about like, you know, he was beneath her?

Dean Fournier  19:20

Well, yeah, I think a lot of the general public, you know, views trucking as a kind of, you know, dirty, nasty job or an NA it is but you know,

Cindy Fournier  19:32

that doesn’t mean you won’t, right, right.

Dean Fournier  19:34

I think you know, truck drivers, some of the most giving, caring, you know, understanding people are smart, smart, for sure. You know, I mean, you every day we’re you know, make good decisions and put yourself in the right situation. I mean, I know that there are certain percentage of them out there that don’t do that. But overall, yeah, I think truckers as a whole Would you know, smart people? Yeah, you know, are you ever adapting to changes every minute? You know, so?

Jeremy Kellett  20:08

Well, it’s, I’ve never driven a trip. But, you know, it’s intriguing to me. But I just don’t know if I could, I mean, it is something that you have to be good at what you do to drive a truck. I always think about this when I had to drive back and forth to work, you know, 40 miles, and I think about how do these guys see all this stuff around them? And how do they, I mean, the truck is as big as the lane. You know? How do you just stay in that lane? And I mean, it just really makes me appreciate people like you because he can do it and do it safely and do it right. And

Dean Fournier  20:48

it’s a challenge. Yeah, I’m not gonna lie. It’s challenging.

Cindy Fournier  20:51

Back it up. I think it’s how do you back that thing up with a trailer in that little spot?

Dean Fournier  20:57

After a while, it becomes second nature. You know, it took some getting used to it first, you know, to maneuver that piece of machinery. What kind of truck you got. Got a 22 threading on flat top now? Just got this truck. Three months, three months ago. Yep. Nice. So that’s a whole it was a whole nother learning curve for that thing. You know, I gotta have a Freightliner Cascadia into the, into that 389 Bill long time since I’ve been in the hood. So Toronto. Yeah, so stay in your lane and all about had to learn that all over.

Cindy Fournier  21:33

That’s a lot bigger than the other one. takes up a lot of my driveway.

Jeremy Kellett  21:40

It is a big truck in itself today. That you got to be good at it or you’re not gonna you’re not gonna survive in this world. Yeah, true. trucking world.

Dean Fournier  21:50

You know, again, you know, being here at Oakley allowed me to be able to have that, you know, and not worry about, you know, a payment, you know, so

Jeremy Kellett  21:59

to speak. So, what would you tell somebody, you know, somebody might be a company driver out there that’s looking to become an owner operator? What would you what kind of advice? Would you give them that they’re thinking about buying a truck and becoming an owner operator? Other than coming here? A lot of them?

Dean Fournier  22:17

Yeah. Do you talk to a lot of

Jeremy Kellett  22:18

them? But because you can’t just know how to drive a truck and become an owner? Operator?

Dean Fournier  22:22

No, you know, you need to, you need to know a little bit about obviously not the financial burden that comes with that, you know? And save, maybe you need to save have a little nest egg, you know,

Jeremy Kellett  22:38

not to get specific, but specific, how much? How much do you have set aside for the truck in case?

Dean Fournier  22:47

Ideally, 20 grand, okay, ideally, you know, and that’s, that’s going to cover a lot of major things, but not necessarily a rebuild, like I had to do last year, I hadn’t done that was a big bill. But we were we were prepared for that. You know, it, it’s terrible to have to rock that big check like that. But we had, and I was thankful. But you know, be smart with your money, save where you can, you know, the key to me is is is having a, obviously keeping that truck on the road, keeping the wheels rolling, right? So you got to proper maintenance. You know, fix things when it needs to be fixed. Don’t wait until it can’t, because it’s gonna come back on guarantee, if you let it go, it’s going to come back on, again, be smart, safe, pair for the worst. And just enjoy the ride. And good

Jeremy Kellett  23:43

advice. You know, there’s a lot of people out there that, you know, that need that kind of advice to know whether they can become an owner operator or not. Because, you know, we try to do that ourselves. And we talked to him before coming over here. Are you ready to do this? This is something that, you know, it’s a big step for a lot of people.

Dean Fournier  24:01

And I’ll tell you, I mean, when I did, I didn’t have that 20,000 DAG, and I but I learned pretty good. Thankfully, I ended up you know, my first truck was, you know, a used truck. And but it was good. It was good to me. So I didn’t have to deal with you really any major breakdowns or any major repairs for probably a year. So I was able to, you know, that we

Cindy Fournier  24:23

had started as soon as you got started putting money aside for sure. Just for Mark just in case. Yeah.

Dean Fournier  24:29

So, but I was fortunate in that respect that I had a good truck that that kept me going.

Jeremy Kellett  24:34

So what’s the what’s the future plans for the four days? They got his daughter getting married? Yeah,

Cindy Fournier  24:40

yeah, sure. So that time list, we’re going to the shop next week. Keep testing ordered.

Dean Fournier  24:48

Well, she’s constantly booking us vacations, so I’m working just a vacation. I don’t have any hobbies anymore. You know, I go home. I want to spend time arm was hurting the kids and the dogs lowered the ground dogs. We don’t have grandkids we have grant dogs good. Yeah. But you know vacations and then of course planning this wedding you know for the

Jeremy Kellett  25:13

worthy vacations take place it you know, just try something new every year.

Cindy Fournier  25:17

We just picked something new. I just came back from Antigua. Last week. So we went to Europe last year. St. Lucia, taking a cruise with our kids.

Jeremy Kellett  25:27

So pretty much the the beach,

Cindy Fournier  25:30

and we love the boil. Yeah,

Dean Fournier  25:32

I mean, she’s more of a tropical person. You know, I wouldn’t mind going up to Montana or, you know, Wyoming or yet

Cindy Fournier  25:41

to cold.

Jeremy Kellett  25:43

We don’t have to go when it’s cold. That’s when I said it’s still cold. There’s no it’s, it can be hot up there. I went to Wyoming Jackson Hole. You know, one time actually it was in October a couple of years ago. And it was it wasn’t cold it all. It was pretty.

Dean Fournier  26:00

Megan went wireless. Our oldest daughter went I think she went to Jackson a couple years ago. And she went winter. I think she

Cindy Fournier  26:08

went for New Year’s Yeah.

Jeremy Kellett  26:09

Now are the kids all around Atmore. Alabama. So they’re within striking distance.

Dean Fournier  26:16

You’re still on the payroll? Yeah.

Cindy Fournier  26:18

They are. Yeah. Until they start getting married off. Yeah,

Dean Fournier  26:22

I guess well, yeah, I guess she’s getting married next October. So hopefully, she’ll be off payroll. Well, as I get a raise,

Jeremy Kellett  26:29

you will? Well, I appreciate you all sitting down with me. You know, it’s just good stuff. I think. I mean, like I said before main our other our listeners to be able to hear the truth about becoming an owner, operator spouse, and just having that marriage work. I think that’s really important to have that support at home to when you come up with these crazy ideas. And you make them work though. It’s really good. So,

Dean Fournier  26:58

But yeah, she’s been she’s been really supportive and the kids to have been very supportive.

Jeremy Kellett  27:03

I mean, a lot. Like y’all for. Thanks for having us. Thanks, everybody for listening to the Oakley podcast once again, man. We appreciate y’all listening every week and all the input you give us. We’ll talk to you next week. Thanks again. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Oakley podcast: trucking, business, and family. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to rate or review the show on the podcast platform of your choice and share it with a friend. We love hearing from our audience, so if you’ve got a question, comment, or just want to say hello, head over to our website, theoakleypodcast.com, and click the “leave a comment” button. We’ll get you a response soon and may even share some of the best ones here on the show. We’ll be back with a fresh episode very soon. Thanks for listening.