160: Beyond the Headquarters: Oakley’s Terminal Managers

This week on the Oakley Podcast, host Jeremy Kellett chats with Brandin Pattengill and Alex Witkowski, Terminal Managers at Bruce Oakley Inc.. During the episode, Brandin and Alex discuss their work at each of the terminals, what sorts of products are shipped through and ordered, the length of a product’s journey from ordering to shipment, future expansion opportunities at each terminal, and more.

Key topics in today’s conversation include:

  • Oakley Update: More weight, more money while staying safe (1:54)
  • Meeting Brandon and Alex and finding out about their backgrounds (3:43)
  • Information from the terminal branches of Oakley (6:59)
  • The range of products and deliveries at these terminals (12:05)
  • Current projects at the terminals in Caruthersville, Ottawa and Seneca (16:23)
  • Where do commodities originate from? (18:03)
  • How long does it take products to come in once ordered (20:05)
  • What does the future look like at each terminal? (22:26)

Oakley Trucking is a family-owned and operated trucking company headquartered in North Little Rock, Arkansas. For more information, check out our show website: podcast.bruceoakley.com.


Alex Witkowski  00:12

We’re just trying to expand the business trying to get into more throughput, you know more towns through the terminal. We got a great crew, we got a lot of great help and we’re just gonna get bigger and better.

Jeremy Kellett  00:22

Welcome to the Oakley podcast, trucking, business and family. This show is brought to you by Oakley trucking headquartered in North Little Rock, Arkansas. The purpose of this podcast is to communicate with Oakley owner operators and their families by giving them up to date information concerning Oakley trucking and the trucking industry. From business advice to safety updates to success stories. Also to give an insight to outside truck drivers that might be interested in joining the Oakley family. I’m Jeremy kellett director recruiting here at Oakley trucking and I’m your host for this podcast. This is the Oakley podcast about trucking business and family. And on today’s episode, we actually have two terminal managers from our terminals in Ottawa, Illinois and cynic Illinois. That’s one terminal manager who manages those. And on the other one is Carlos real Missouri. So we have these guys, Brandon, Pattengill and Alex Witkowski, sitting in with me. We actually got the managers coming into the office this week, and we’re doing some getting to know each other a little bit. So I’m taking advantage of the opportunity to get them here and getting them on the podcast with me to learn a little bit more about Bruce Oakley you guys, you listeners are awesome. And y’all y’all tell me hey, I want to hear more about Bruce Oakley and what they do and this is part of that this is give you an insight on these terminals that are up one up on the Illinois River and one at crows wheel, Missouri that’s on the Mississippi and sit down and visit with these guys about their capabilities what they do every day. What the future looks like, what commodities they deal in every day, so I think it’s gonna be a good episode. Be sure and stay with me and listen to this thing. But first, let’s do the Oakley update sponsored by Arrow Truck Sales. Arrow Truck Sales has been in business for over 60 years and a longtime partner of Oakley trucking and the Oakley podcast, Dre visor and Keith Wilson do a great job at putting you in the right truck to fit your needs and our needs here at Oakley. They carry all makes and models to choose from with on site financing through transport funding. So whether you’re a seasoned owner operator or a first time buyer, be sure to contact Keith Wilson at Arrow Truck Sales at 573-216-6047. And tell him you heard it on the Oakley podcast. So on update today, here’s what we’re talking white, we’re talking about hauling the weight. I’m specifically talking to our owner operators, because this is if you hadn’t heard, you’ve probably already heard this from your dispatcher. But this is something we’ve been battling for years. And I’m just helping get the point across here that we’ve got to haul close to 80,000 pounds and do it reasonably with the customer and what they want. But we have got to make that effort. There’s a little bit of a misnomer out there that I think a lot of people say, Well, if you have 46 hours, and you’re okay, that is totally false. That is not the case, you know, the weight is to get as close to 80 as you can and be legal. Because not only I mean, we get paid by the time. So that means a whole lot right there, the more weight we hold, the more we get paid more we pay you well, the customer also expects us to get the weight on there, that’s where it’s at. I mean, we want to deliver good service to them and give them the best product that they can get on one load. It makes a big difference, especially against our competitors. You know, a lot of the competition has company trucks and lot trucks and haul a lot more weight than we do. And we just got to be you know, we just 77 78,000 you need to be communicating with your dispatcher on what’s going on and see if we can get more weight and harlot so close to 80,000 is is what we got to do notes can be challenging in some places, but that’s why I just want you to communicate with your dispatcher on what’s going on in each situation, and it’s all you know, a lot different sometimes. So anyway, communicate with us and try to wait. Okay, so let’s get started with Alex wood Gaskey and Brandon Paton Gill and how are you guys doing today? You

Alex Witkowski  04:39

might not be good? Yes, sir.

Jeremy Kellett  04:41

Appreciate y’all being here. You know, we have an office managers meeting now called us here to North LiveRamp. So, finally good to meet you guys and some other new people here.

Alex Witkowski  04:50

I mean, it’s your first time at the office. Now this is probably my third or fourth so far and we were talking earlier. I saw the original office. Then what a difference this new one is. It’s mad. It’s a work of art. It truly is. Yeah, it’s

Jeremy Kellett  05:05

Nice. I mean, it’s, it’s leaps and bounds from the old office.

Brandin Pattengill  05:09

Yeah, same here. I’ve been here three times. Oh, are you okay? It’s a nice place.

Jeremy Kellett  05:13

So you guys just avoided me the whole time. I didn’t know you were here. So good. Glad you met. tell our listeners a little bit about yourself. Before we get started. They always like to hear who they’re talking to. So let’s start with you Alex.

Alex Witkowski  05:27

All right, some Alex Witkowski I manage the odd one Seneca terminals, originally from our sales, right between Ottawa and Sonica. So right between the two right on the river. So I’ve been in the river area my whole life. We moved a little village down a grand ridge and went as a family. Got a family. Yeah. Married 10 years to my wife, Kylie. We have Nathan and Benjamin. They’re five and three. And there are a handful or what do you do on a weekend? Weekend T ball. This Walk in the Woods hiking, you know, prepping for deer season and kind of getting them into the wildlife a little bit and they’re dead. Ha yeah, that’s fine. And yeah, I’m excited to get them more in sports and stuff like that. There’s interest in football and soccer and whatnot. So yeah,

Jeremy Kellett  06:21

It’ll go back a week. You gotta do it. Good. Glenn. Thank you for joining me. What about you, Brandon’s

Brandin Pattengill  06:30

manage the Crothersville facility. They do fertilizer and diesel currently. I’ve been with Bruce ugly since February. I’ve been in that same port since 2011. Know the area down in Buda, Missouri on the Mississippi postal four states within two hours and got a couple interstates just right. Visible from the facility. So family family, yes. Been married to my wife Tasha for almost 20 years. I Have two daughters, 19 and 16. Ellie and Lola got a college softball player that is 10 years old and my youngest plays basketball year round. So we’re always running into some basketball court or softball field somewhere.

Jeremy Kellett  07:15

Oh, yeah. Yeah, to do that, but because they didn’t belong. They’re gonna be gone. 13 and 16 happened pretty quick.

Brandin Pattengill  07:21

Yeah, my family comes from a family farm and they had a local steel farm today. That allowed me to be part of that in the fall. And love deer like we’ve talked about here. Do some big deer up here, don’t you? We try to, if I keep the gun hunters from killing the small one, nothing will be.

Jeremy Kellett  07:40

That’s normally me probably.

Brandin Pattengill  07:43

A lot of my family. Is it?

Jeremy Kellett  07:45

Yeah, that’s good hunting up in that area. So

Brandin Pattengill  07:47

Yes, sir. Sure.

Jeremy Kellett  07:49

I always like to. I mean, our listeners on this show always asked me about different divisions of Bruce Oakley because, you know, I get caught up in Oakley trucking, what it’s all about, and telling everybody about it and talking about it. But there’s so much more to Bruce Oakley Incorporated, you know, being a big company that has a lot of different divisions. And you guys are one of those divisions by having a port in Crothersville, Missouri, that you manage. And then Alex says one cynic Illinois in Ottawa, Illinois. He manages and it’s just I think it’s good information to let our listeners know what you guys do there and what you’re capable of doing there. So let’s start with you, Alex up there in Illinois. How far apart are those terminals?

Alex Witkowski  08:34

I’ll drive a 15 minute drive. That’s not too far away. Barnett wrote up a sir. If you can imagine.

Jeremy Kellett  08:43

What’s it, what’s those terminal capabilities?

Alex Witkowski  08:46

Well, I’ll start with Sonica so Sonica there’s seven tanks with 40,000 Tons of storage. And six the tanks are UAM 32%, which it’s the 32% of the nitrogen content of the fertilizer. The other product we have is ammonium thiosulfate which is more of a software product. So we have some blending nice fertilizers to correct Yeah, and we can blend it we make 28% you know watered down a little bit. We can add the thigh assault to the 32% and so we can give them the softer with their nitrogen and so we have good capabilities. They’re all barges. For the 32% we have rail capability truck capability. So we can we’re pretty universal there. As far as what’s more of a traditional river port that Oakley is used to we have a 20,000 tonne warehouse of potash urea map DAP AMS Yeah, same thing. RBT machines can unload rail cars to trucks or rail cars. We’re trying to be more universal getting into van trailers flatbeds we can handle Hopper bottoms and dumps and road salt for the wintertime

Jeremy Kellett  10:03

and we’ve had it for a long time since Oakley heard those places, Alex, you know?

Alex Witkowski  10:08

Yeah, so about 2018 The first 2018 Yeah,

Jeremy Kellett  10:12

got them both but at the same time. Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Now what river is it? That’s the Illinois River. Okay. Illinois River. So is that about as far north? I mean as you can go forward, is the Illinois River going?

Alex Witkowski  10:26

I mean, it goes up to Lamont because it’s toward Chicago rather than acting. Yeah, we’re proud 60 miles southwest of Chicago. Okay,

Jeremy Kellett  10:36

so Illinois starts up there.

Alex Witkowski  10:39

Yeah, I would say it was a K rode down, that area starts off and so we’re about 240 miles. That’d be the mile marker for Ottawa and about 253 for Seneca. So they’re about 10 river miles away from each other.

Jeremy Kellett  10:53

Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay, well, that grows we’ll rent it.

Brandin Pattengill  10:57

Similar to fertilizer. We have a six Bay 20,000 ton brand new fertilizer warehouse. In December of 21. They had a tornado come through that area and took the roof off the fertilizer. Yeah. So since I started in February, they’ve been rebuilding and here this past week, we’re actually putting product in that building. So we’re in first place for the first time. Yes, a brand new building. Very nice to see dust moving in it. Starting to lag a little money.

Jeremy Kellett  11:28

isn’t like this one out here. Yes. That we built not long ago. This new one

Brandin Pattengill  11:32

just similar to it. Yes, sir. Let’s say we have six bases and six different products. We still do ammonium nitrate, triple potash urea, those products and along with the fertilizer, we discharge diesel barges in and discharge to a couple of tanks, five and a half million. Each of those were Marquez energy assets that we acquired in 2014 Crothersville birsa. Flink started there and 98 from the Roche. So that’s two two main objectives, offload fertilizer and diesel currently,

Jeremy Kellett  12:07

That’s your biggest? Yes. What’s the biggest deal that you do there? Well, you know, the railroads open up so many opportunities for us. With so many ports, you can do a lot in a minute. You get river access, you make a lot of things happen. I’m there. So the fuel and fertilizer, I’m assuming that you sell mainly to wholesale to people close by there around that area,

Brandin Pattengill  12:33

like I spoke about earlier, the interstates closed, you know, interstate diesel fuel and you know, harvest scenarios, you know, a lot of diesel gets used this time of year through phone. And it’s it can we’re in between, you know, Scott said he’s got a pipeline. It’s got the City, Missouri and Memphis pipeline. So we’re kind of in between. So we do have certain characteristics that we can do in the middle of those two hubs.

Jeremy Kellett  12:56

What about the range? I mean, where do you guys mindless products come from? I guess all the product has got to come either overseas and up the Mississippi? Yes, that’s correct. So you guys, and then how much ever you purchase? You store it and sell it? Right? I mean, that’s the basics of it. So how, and then how far around your area? Do you sell this stuff? I mean, is it like, just 150 miles? Or is it 500 miles?

Alex Witkowski  13:28

You know, I would say 100 miles on average? I mean, what the road salt we can get into Wisconsin, you know, get more up north, but yeah, 100 150 miles,

Brandin Pattengill  13:38

I’d say yeah, say the diesels probably 100 150 miles, the fertilizers a little farther than that, maybe closer to 200 250 miles, that some of the, you know, wholesalers, your, your fertilizer houses inland, away from the river that will supply

Jeremy Kellett  13:53

What do you think your niche is? Maybe that’s your competition?

Alex Witkowski  14:01

Well, we’ll look at anything. I mean, we’ll handle anything if we can make some money and do it safely. And, you know, make the state of Illinois EPA happy. You know, we’ll look at it for sure. We don’t like to say no to an opportunity.

Jeremy Kellett  14:16

You have anything specific that you think you have an advantage over a lot of the people

Alex Witkowski  14:21

out we just were willing to put the work and the time man will make it happen to service. Yes, sir.

Jeremy Kellett  14:27

Well, but yeah,

Brandin Pattengill  14:28

very similar. We handle ammonium nitrate which a lot of facilities have got away from due to basically the standards you have to abide by to handle that product. I think diesel has more logistics. I guess the biggest thing that I see here going forward is we got relationships, lame seller, fertilizer, Debbie, none of it’s been there 25 years. He knows the ropes inside and out. They built a lot of round eggs and are still a big asset for me to help me learn as we get started here. Yeah,

Jeremy Kellett  15:04

but I guess you guys by having your own hand at these terminals, which you also don’t have help from here? Yes.

Alex Witkowski  15:16

For sure. I mean, shout out to Brian Marple, our regional sales manager. He’s I talked to more of my wife some days it’s but we got a lot of help here at the home office, it don’t matter if it’s it if it’s sales if it’s inventory, that we have a great communication flow here

Jeremy Kellett  15:37

of you. Have you started seeing any trucking pickup?

Alex Witkowski  15:41

You know what we have? I gotta say Oakleys probably got the cleanest trucks we’ve ever seen. Like, hands down good. Yes, sir. Yes. But yeah, we’ve been handling a lot of pelletized lime, so it works out good. They can drop something off and then get a load of potash or AMS or something so they can leave right there and get down the road.

Jeremy Kellett  16:01

Yeah. Okay, good. Good. I mean, you know, I’ll get off on owner operators. They’re guys, they’re fantastic. They take care of equipment and I’m very proud of them. Oakley Trucking is a 100% Owner Operator company. We specialize in Hopper, bottom and dump and pneumatic drivers. We provide the trailer free of charge and you provide the truck. We have a large customer base that reaches the whole United States as well as parts of Canada. Our owner operators live anywhere from Texas to North Carolina to Pennsylvania to Wisconsin and everywhere in between and we get them home weekends. We take it seriously when you join Oakley trucking because we need you to be successful. Oakley offers great benefits and competitive mileage pay. So you know that when your wheels are turning, you’re generating money. No matter if you’re loaded or empty. We understand that you want to make a good living and that you make our living. We only take on independent contractors and to be honest with you, we are very particular on who we lease on. You must have a good driving record, good work history and clean, dependable truck. So if you’re interested in Oakley trucking or just want some more information, you can go to Oakley trucking.com. Listen to our weekly podcast, the Oakley podcast and subscribe to our YouTube channel. What kind of projects are you doing right now? Ron,

Brandin Pattengill  17:17

Currently, we’re looking to take one of our storage tanks five and a half million storage tanks into gasoline? Or we can know, we don’t do it for you. I think it opened up a lot of revenue. And just the amount of talking to drivers, a lot of them do split loads, they’ll come in and get a half load of diesel and half load of gasoline. And it’s just another product to handle that you can, you know, take advantage of the market and give you time to do so. Yeah.

Jeremy Kellett  17:48

So the demands are? Yes, why not try it? Let’s talk about a project you’re working on now. Yeah, we

Alex Witkowski  17:54

I just finished two at Seneca. So seven tanks every 10 years, you have to go inside of and get them inspected, which means you have to clean them now. It’s nasty. And I got a good crew, they put up with the nastiness and so we cleaned to get ready for fall Phil, one of them having a rubber liner. It’s like an EPDM material. Well, when you have a little cut that big, it’s hard to find, but we were able to get it and we’re ready to go. So you have to empty it completely and then actually get in there and add the thing with that material. They call it salting and it turns into concrete. So you have to add water, agitate it, stir it around and turn it from a solid to a liquid form and get rid of it.

Jeremy Kellett  18:44

So it does sound like a job. It is unique. Take those guys out to lunch. So where do most of your commodities originate from? And we talked a little bit about how it comes up the river but I mean, where did most of it originate from?

Alex Witkowski  19:05

Morocco, Jordan, Nicaragua, like really all over? I mean, we’re, we got a great staff here that deals with international sales and, you know, we’ll buy ships and material put it on barges and, you know, if they buy a ship, they’ll get a handful I’ll get a couple and they get all over the place

Jeremy Kellett  19:26

ships over here and then gets put on barges and up your way.

Brandin Pattengill  19:31

I mean, very similar. Yes, very similar diesels usually, you know, out of Memphis or south to refineries, Valero musket, those facilities. Where were they located? Blair on a big one in Memphis. Okay. So then we deal with Exxon. We have recently actually got Exxon barges coming in here tomorrow. And so yeah, not very far away.

Jeremy Kellett  19:56

Yeah, that’s the stuff you’re talking about. Alec says the liquid nitrogen product. Well,

Alex Witkowski  20:02

that’s coming more out of Louisiana. It’s down to 32% of our liquid UI on 32%. Out of this product, so that’d be more for those countries. You know, talking about,

Jeremy Kellett  20:15

you know, I had an interesting conversation or podcast episode with Ivan, the International guy that does it. And that was a very if y’all haven’t watched that, you need to go back and watch it. It was really good. He did a good job explaining some of this stuff and how he his history in fertilize very knowledgeable, very good, very long, you know, and what he knows what he can do, and help and he was telling me about bringing chips over and chips I think I think he actually had him and Baba yet. So yes, it was a really good episode. So you got a lot of good help here to be shared in the office? It sure seems like it. So we’ve covered the word count from the commodities it takes, how long? I mean, when I guess you got to place it in a big order. And when does that mean, does it take months to get if you ordered a product to fertilize or something I guess they ordered? It takes a while to get to you? What’s that mean?

Alex Witkowski  21:19

For us? It’s probably four months or four weeks from golf to get out? Or Oh, isn’t it in some of that hold up? Could you know, St. Louis, they may sit there for a little while. And then, you know, we got a bunch of locks. So they gotta walk through and this and that. And three to four weeks, probably, but okay.

Brandin Pattengill  21:40

Yeah, a little less than that for us. I mean, we’re mom Walker 849. I mean, well, not many stops on a tow, we’ll get up there in a week to 10 days, you know, 100 miles a day is what we kind of range by, Oh, gotcha, gotcha. Like a diesel tow will be faster than that, because they’re just, they got one one mission coming to you and get discharged. So

Jeremy Kellett  22:02

I guess a lot of the minute I guess a lot of the Corps of Engineers has a lot to do with a lot of this.

Brandin Pattengill  22:08

They sure do. Yeah, would have been like a spell my word

Jeremy Kellett  22:11

or Marcy, and a lot of those

Brandin Pattengill  22:14

in that range of rivers on the credit. Crothersville is just, you know, 2011 went 47. Seven feet. 400 year flood, and this morning, it was a 3.9. And it was in the negative range last fall with the drought of last fall. Yeah, so 50 foot range and the river, you have to work with it and deal with it.

Jeremy Kellett  22:34

So that was the lowest you’ve ever seen it last fall. Yes. Last year. Yes. Yeah, I guess that might have been, I guess the lowest it’s ever been. I

Brandin Pattengill  22:41

don’t believe that’s,

Jeremy Kellett  22:43

I believe that’s right. I’m not sure. But my either that’s changed a lot of things that yeah, I’ll the

Brandin Pattengill  22:49

47 seven, and April of 2011 will be embedded in my mind, because I started down there the first of April and moved out on April 30. And this is pretty amazing to see all the facilities, the amount of water and

Jeremy Kellett  23:05

everything. Well, you’re at, you know, we’re at mother’s nature’s mercy, for sure. And it’s hard to plan around that I’m sure sometimes, but you got to do this what we do. Anything else you guys would like to tell about your facilities you think that we haven’t covered off top your head?

Alex Witkowski  23:25

Well, we’re just always looking for opportunities in Ottawa, we have the land.

Jeremy Kellett  23:31

We have the equator and got land to expand. We do nice things.

Alex Witkowski  23:35

We have a lot of grass. And you know, we’ve had discussions of possibilities, but we’re getting bigger and better year by year. So

Jeremy Kellett  23:44

What is the one of y’all the busiest? What towel years, your

Alex Witkowski  23:50

Spring and fall for us? Right? Same here. Same

Jeremy Kellett  23:53

The diesel is pretty steady year round.

Brandin Pattengill  23:56

This depends on the market. Really. I mean, you know, the harvest scenarios, you know, bump up volumes, but this really depends on the market. One thing I didn’t touch base on earlier was we do road salt, we store road salt on this facility site by the fertilizer warehouse, we do you know, six to 10 bars annually sell it to highway departments, different different towns, whatnot. So that’s another piece of the business. But you know, just like Alex said more, we have a big footprint area that we could build on. We do have other areas that we could put more tanks on. So I would say that’s probably going to be in the future. If demand just grows. We’ll build more,

Jeremy Kellett  24:37

which was my next question. The future of these two of these terminals, these three terminals, may be Immortelle. Thank the future looks like and you starting in February, but no one about us. For a long time, Brandon. I’m assuming you wouldn’t come over here back in February if you didn’t think he was a good teacher here at that tournament. Yeah,

Brandin Pattengill  24:57

I think it’s a very good opportunity to grow. Oh and expand in and make more money. Yeah, what we’re trying to do is the name

Jeremy Kellett  25:05

of the game. Yes, sir. But you guys, well, I

Alex Witkowski  25:07

got the five year jacket, I want the 10 year Watch, I’ll

Jeremy Kellett  25:09

be on there you gotta go for Yes sir.

Alex Witkowski  25:13

I’m not going anywhere. But now Sam is the same. I mean, it’s just, we’re just trying to expand the business trying to get into more throughput, you know, more tons through the terminal we got a great crew, we got a lot of great help and we’re just gonna get bigger and better. I mean, well, and

Jeremy Kellett  25:29

you know, the other side of that is is working with a trucking company you know, hope that’s in the plans for the future of doing more trucking out there with Oakley trucking you know that’s it’s creating you guys are help create opportunities for the trucking company to and that’s we all just need to work together work together get to know each other and see what what needs we can feel for you do sir.

Brandin Pattengill  25:56

And just be a part of that new fertilizer facility with all the characteristics of what you have that work under roof over your mill rights, your truckers lucky said there’s, there’s so many things that we do ourselves through Oakley, that a lot of people don’t have that option. It’s very good to see. Yeah, that’s probably you know, now that to think about it, Brandon, that’s probably one of the biggest advantages

Jeremy Kellett  26:21

that we have, you know, that you have sitting in your seat that I have sitting in my seat at Oakley trucking? is heaven. The whole Bruce Oakley incorporated family. And everybody. I mean, we’ve got so many options here that it’s overwhelming a little bit, right, you know, at times on what we could do with each other. I mean, the opportunities that come up with this company is he fired up

Brandin Pattengill  26:51

my first trip down here there were products that are handled here that I’ve never heard of before. You know, I’m like, I’m sure have been around this business a while I’d love to hear from these things. It’s

Jeremy Kellett  27:01

pretty well yeah, I mean, I never knew we dealt and beet juice added beet juice. I use it with my cousin. They all meet but I mean it, you know having the people I think is just an advantage to us and helps us all work together. So thank you guys for hanging out with me man.

Alex Witkowski  27:19

Appreciate it. Thank you for appreciating having us here and yeah, the nerves kind of wore off.

Jeremy Kellett  27:24

It really will. It’s afternoon and tonight we got Dr. Game yes sir Italy Italy’s after too good. And you’ll be wanting to come to another one in the morning. Maybe I don’t appreciate you guys joining me and giving us a little bit of insight on the new terminals that you run in and it’s very nice to meet you guys. Appreciate our listeners, man. Appreciate you guys hanging with us here. The Oakley podcast. We try to give you some good info as often as we possibly can every week. Be sure and you know I say this every week. But because miles makes me subscribe to our YouTube channel. Comment on it. You know, like it. Share it with somebody and tell other people about the LP podcast. I mean, our mentality here is course trucking wise. There’s three and a half million truck drivers in this country and they should all be listening to the Oakley podcast right now. Man swamp. So help us spread the word a little bit. And as always, I appreciate you guys. Listen, we’ll talk to you next week. Thanks for listening to this episode with Oakley podcast, trucking, business and family. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to rate or review the show and the podcast platform of your choice and share it with a friend. We love hearing from our audience. So if you’ve got a question, comment or just want to say hello, head over to our website, the Oakley podcast.com and click the leave a comment button. We’ll get you a response soon and may even share some of the best ones here on the show. We’ll be back with a fresh episode very soon. Thanks for listening.