144: The New Era of Electric Vehicles

This week on the Oakley Podcast, host Jeremy Kellettchats with Michael Freeze, the Features Editor at Transport Topics. During the episode, Michael and Jeremy discuss electric trucks and fleets and how the EV wave is changing the industry. The conversation also includes challenges companies face in electric fleets, infrastructure needs for the industry, possible legislative mandates, and more.

Key topics in today’s conversation include:

  • Micahel’s background in covering the transportation industry (1:46)
  • The emergence of electric trucks in the industry (4:45)
  • The challenges in infrastructure to support electric fleets (10:52)
  • Why would a company want to move to electric trucks? (18:05)
  • What are the charging needs for these vehicles? (19:53)
  • The advancements of battery technology in recent years (23:40)
  • Impacts of EV on the independent contractor (27:35)

Oakley Trucking is a family-owned and operated trucking company headquartered in North Little Rock, Arkansas. For more information, check out our show website: podcast.bruceoakley.com.


Michael Freeze  00:13

We’re past the wonder of how EVs are going to be, you know, this great thing and slices and dices and all of that. We’re at that moment right now, where we’re learning the benefits of EVs. There’s definitely some improvement to be made, but right now, it’s in that sense where there are some fleets that are contemplating getting EVs into their fleet and on a cost basis is very viable for them.

Jeremy Kellett  00:39

Welcome to the Oakley podcast, trucking, business, and family. This show is brought to you by Oakley Trucking, headquartered in North Little Rock, Arkansas. The purpose of this podcast is to communicate with Oakley owner-operators and their families by giving them up-to-date information concerning Oakley Trucking and the trucking industry. From business advice to safety updates to success stories. Also to give an inside to outside truck drivers that might be interested in joining the Oakley family. Hi, this is Jeremy kellett director of recruiting here at Oakley trucking and I’m your host for this podcast. This is the Oakley podcast, trucking business and family and this is episode 144. As always appreciate you guys, listen to the Oakley podcast and tune in with me. Every week, we try to bring you some good information, different stuff every week to benefit you as a listener out there. And this week, I got a gentleman named Michael Freeze that is joining me here and we’re going to dive a little deep into electronic electric commercial vehicles. I mean, it’s something I don’t know a whole lot about, but he’s going to tell us about it. We’re gonna kind of look at the big picture, we’re gonna look at the infrastructure we’re going to talk about, you know, the how the truck stops are going to react and what they do and we also you know, want to tie it back to how it’s gonna affect the independent contractor because I mean, this the majority of our audience is independent contractors, especially Oakley independent contractors, and we want to make sure that we give you some good information so fixing to get started with Mr. Mike Frese here in just second but first let’s get an Oakley update sponsored by Arrow Truck Sales. Arrow Truck Sales has been in business for over 60 years and a longtime partner of Oakley trucking and the Oakley podcast, Dre visor and Keith Wilson do a great job at putting you in the right truck to fit your needs and our needs here at Oakley. They carry all makes and models to choose from with on site financing through transport funding. So whether you’re a seasoned owner operator or a first time buyer, be sure to contact Keith Wilson at Arrow Truck Sales at 573-216-6047. And tell him you heard it on the Oakley podcast. All right, let’s get started with Mr. Michael freeze. Michael, thanks for joining me on the Oakley podcast. I really appreciate you taking time out to do this to talk about, you know, the big picture when it comes to electric commercial vehicles in this country and how it’s moving forward. And what can we expect as trucking companies and as independent contractors and truck drivers out there. And in this world of the crazy business of transportation, and learn a little bit more, I sure have looked at some of the stuff you’ve done in the past you seem very intelligent and some of the things that you have spoken about and you know, just the things that you know, and I really appreciate you coming on and doing this. But before we get started if you would kind of let our listeners know a little bit about your background and history so they can kind of you know, put it to put it all together for us if you would.

Michael Freeze  03:49

Thanks, Jeremy and thanks for having me on to the Oakley podcast. I really appreciate it reaching out to our readers and the other people such as yourself and the independent contractors that you represent. You know, as you refer, I am Michael for he’s I am the Features Editor of transport topics and transport topics is a newspaper, weekly newspaper that covers the transportation industry, that they’ll just the industry and specifically the trucking industry, you know, as part of the, the, the as part of the American transportation I’m sorry, the American Trucking associations. We’re based out of Washington DC, we’ve been a publication since 1935. So the team that we have around us is pretty experienced in covering the trucking industry so it’s a great way for those in the industry to women and know what’s happening on a big scale in the trucking industry. In the transport industry. When it comes to you know, land, sea or air, just getting things from point A to point B you We usually cover most of what’s happening.

Jeremy Kellett  05:03

Fantastic. You know, it’s something that a couple of our listeners have brought up to me that, you know, they would actually like to learn a little bit more about, you know, battery operated trucks, and especially commercial motor vehicles when it moves into there. And not even getting into the self driving ones, but just battery operated. That’s a whole nother podcast, you know, but it also kind of goes a little bit with we did a podcast not long ago, talking about APU units and then being battery powered instead of diesel powered, so it’s just I think you can shed a lot of light on us. So I asked him, you know, dumb questions that everybody else knows except me. But that’s okay, I’m here to learn about some of it. What I guess kind of first gives us an overall big picture of the timeline of what, you know, electric commercial trucks are making an appearance and trucking companies. I know, some are already in trucking companies, but can you kind of sum it up, give us a big picture of it?

Michael Freeze  06:09

Well, you know, this is something Jeremy that’s been in the works for decades, as you’ve seen, you know, with the passenger cars that are coming out in the EVS. So, with the trucking industry with commercial trucks, you know, basically, as you said, with UPS, you know, and other you know, big fleets, you know, that are dealing with, you know, short haul, or that last mile delivery, you know, they’ve been using electric trucks, in certain markets, you know, like Atlanta and Houston that comes to mind. But the whole essence of the electric vehicle, it’s definitely, you know, I would say, a slow process into the sense of, you know, fleets, acquiring fleets are now just acquiring the class eight EVs. So, I mean, it’s a, it’s been a long process, in the sense of where it’s been, from decades to where it is now, but basically, you know, just EVs just present a quieter ride an alternative ride, and, you know, in comparison to, you know, the internal combustion engine ice, you know, or the, via terminal alternative fuels that that, you know, maybe your listeners are using right now, you know, so, but right now, we’re sort of at the stage, kind of the past that we’re past, the, the wonder of how EVs are going to be, you know, this great thing and slices and dices, and all of that, you know, so now we’re kind of getting into the stage of the infrastructure of it, you know, the, all the pieces and parts that are playing with it. So that has to do with OEMs, such as, for example, Dana, data Incorporated, they have presented, many, you know, EA components, you know, the EA powertrain, and you know, of course, the main components of the battery. So, all those pieces and parts kind of come into it. But right now, we’re at the dawn of this, in a sense of, it’s coming on to the market, but it’s not exactly a critical mass where everyone, everyone has a, you know, an Eevee, or your listeners are thinking, you know, should I buy me an Eevee? You know, what, first of all, it’s a very expensive venture, no, expensive, but you know, it’s a cost. It’s a costly event, a costly venture to get into, considering you already have diesel trucks, and you can get from point A to point B, and you can run your business with diesel trucks, and I’m pretty sure some of your listeners right now are fine and fine with using diesel trucks. But this is a new on that or new era that’s dawning with EVs, and basically, just in the sense that we’re at that moment right now, where we’re learning the benefits of EVs, where EVs are required quieter drives, the the reach recharging cycles are getting shorter and shorter as the years go on. So there, there’s definitely some improvement to be made in that. But right now, it’s in that sense, where you have businesses, there are some fleets that are contemplating getting EVs into their fleet, and on a cost basis, you know, it’s very, very viable for them. So that’s kind of where we’re at the stage is where we’re at right now. But that’s kind of skimming the surface.

Jeremy Kellett  09:23

So the red tape is over, it’s we’ve gotten through the part of a, you know, is this possible type deal. So now we’re to the end, we’re kind of to the end of, okay, we’ve gotten through all that. And now we need to, we got to go through the hard part of actually making them and see how they see how it produces, you know, what’s the results type deals where where is, that’s where we’re at now?

Michael Freeze  09:50

Yeah, that’s correct. You know, we’re sort of like in the test, where we’re sort of we’re in the middle of the test programming of it, you know, I mean, it’s, it’s already happening. There’s either He is right now in several major metro areas, right now delivering packages from point A to point B, that would mean that’s happening right now, as for transport topics, you know, we want to kind of go for looking into that, you know, so yes, we do have EVs right now we have the electric components that are going with it. So now let’s get into the maintenance of it. Because these cars, these cars, these trucks that are new, or newer, will someday get old. And they will need, they’ll need that repair, and they will need that maintenance. And especially if you’re a fleet that has several units, that’s going to be a very big undertaking. And that involves communication with your fleet maintenance crew. And just in the sense of just getting those recommended practices on how these parts that are in the electric truck, how are they going to be maintained, how they’re going to be repaired? And there’s going to be that conversation. I mean, we’re already having that conversation about diesel and diesel has been around for, you know, for a century or more. So I mean, there’s still that conversation. So, for EVs, we’re just beginning to have that conversation, because right now, like I said, No, we’re kind of ixnay that, oh, wow, there’s EVs coming to the commercial fleet. How are we going to take care of these things? And number two, is this going to be a viable business option for my fleet?

Jeremy Kellett  11:29

Now, because I would think one of the biggest things is something that you speak on is the infrastructure of, you know, if you implement these trucks, or companies buy these trucks and put them in a position to run over the road? Well, I mean, in my mind, I’m thinking, Well, you know, how far can I go on this dude, for? I gotta charge it up, you know, can I mean it? And how long will it last? How long is it gonna take to charge? Where is it going to be? And, man, I would just think that’s a huge undertaking, and I’m assuming some of that’s going on now, but because I know, there’s a lot of, you know, the electronic vehicles, I see them all out there. But, you know, I don’t know, but you don’t see a lot of charging stations. And I mean, that’s gonna have to even go through like, the truck stops and stuff Mako in it. I mean,

Michael Freeze  12:19

oh, yes, most definitely. Jeremy, you know, I’m glad you brought up truck stops, you know, that’s that it’s a, I would say it’s a all hands on decK, but at the same time, you can kind of think of it as the, you know, the new frontier when those pioneers, you know, they lose, after Lewis and Clark were, you know, going to the new landscape of the Great Plains and, and snatching up land, I think that’s kind of where we’re going to be with charging infrastructure, you know, because, you know, right now, you drive your truck, right now, you need gas, you go to a gas station to get your gas, and then you leave. Now, with an Eevee, you’re gonna you’re not gonna go to a gas station, get your recharge, I mean, get recharged, not right now. But right, as this time, especially for a passenger vehicle, you have the, the, you know, the malls, or the grocery store parking lot, where you have those recharging stations, for now, for a class A truck making deliveries? Where is that point going to be? Could it be in the warehouse? Possibly? Could it be in these delivery points that these fleets go to regularly, that can be appointed as well, you know, there’s travel Centers of America loves, and pilots, you know, they’re all taking little steps to incorporate, you know, charging systems. And they’re, I mean, they’re truckstop areas. So I mean, there was a rep from TA that I spoke with, and he had mentioned, you know, the truckstop of the future. So, I mean, it’s, I mean, it’s definitely going to be in the conversation going forward. But right now, those discussions are being held right now just kind of where we want to get that charge. And then, on top of that, Jeremy, the fleets themselves, could have controlled this issue by having those charging stations in their house. So it’ll be the fleet companies recharging their units and not relying on a particularly third party, but the realities of it. The recharging infrastructure, whoever has that major market share is going to probably read a lot if it’s for decades to come.

Jeremy Kellett  14:24

So we’re talking a little bit about that. And we, you know, we’re at the point. Oh, what is the reality of people asking out there how you’re gonna charge these things, and how long they’re gonna last and how’s that gonna get in every truckstop? And how’s, where’s it going to be is it you know, and that, to me seems like is gonna be a challenge and not only with that, but what you mentioned earlier, is working on the sidings, replacement and parts in I mean, it is just something that is so new that It sounds like it’s gonna be a challenge to be able to get all that done, don’t you think? Michael?

Michael Freeze  15:04

Yeah, it’s definitely going to be a challenge. But one of the things that I mean, just from, you know, fleet managers that I’ve talked to, and those that that are, you know, I mean, those that are in the know, is that, you know, the our knowledge, you know, a technician has knowledge of the, of diesel, diesel tech is going to help in the, you know, the whole evolution of fleet maintenance when it comes to EVs. You know, one of the things, especially for fleet managers that I’ve spoken to, you know, pin Ohio rider comes to mind is that, like, let’s take Pitt Ohio, for instance, you know, they’ve kind of eased into the E V, Mo, they have, they have the, you know, they have forklifts, they have just, Evie EV live in class three, the class five, you know, those particular vehicles that they’re used around the warehouse, you know, there’s a system built in place to repairing them and keep them preventive, and using preventive maintenance for them. So you have that in the infrastructure already, you know, so that’s how some fleets have approached it, and then they use that scale up to class eight vehicles that that people will see on the road, you know, so you can kind of go into that. And then the beginning of that whole process, especially for a fleet manager, the nerve leading technicians is to get that buy in, you know, it’s like, Hey, guys, you know, we got, you know, the world EVs are coming, you know, who’s joining us. I mean, I mean, that’s so much that much of a rah rah speech, but it’s basically, you know, there’s gonna be some technicians out there, like, Hey, I don’t want to deal with EVs, I want to deal with diesel have always dealt with diesel, I’ve been doing it for 20 plus years, I’m not going to change now, you know, so you’re gonna have those folks, you know, so you kind of have to have that buy in as a fleet, when it comes to purchasing EVs and incorporating those in your fleet, because it is for the long haul, you know, no one’s gonna buy a truck and then sell it that year over, you know, or, you know, maybe a few years over, but not, you know, that initial year. So, it’s definitely going to be a multi year investment to do that. And, you know, one thing is to get that technician buy in, you know, once you have that, there’s going to be people, I mean, there’s going to be text, I think there’s gonna be more text than not that they’re going to say, you know, hey, let’s get on it, you know, let’s, you know, go into this new world. So, I mean, it’s that, and then, on top of that, this, the training evolved as well, you know, it’s that the whole training, and that’s a partnership between the OEMs, that dealers, you know, so So the fleets can, you know, can have a better grip on how to maintain these particular electric components that are going to be, you know, I wouldn’t say a major part, you know, in the near future, but like 1015 years down the road, we’re going to be talking about maintaining our ER EV fleet. So, I mean, you might as well get in those particular conversations at the ground level. So that’s kind of where we’re at right now, especially on the technician front, because there’s a lot of, you know, the buy in, and the training involved, that there has to go into all this,

Jeremy Kellett  18:18

kind of like the Deaf system that they put on commercial motor vehicles. I mean, you’re here it is 15 years later, maybe I guess, to 12 years later. And it’s still dealing with the technicians knowing how to fix these problems. And it being all computerized and sensors and things, and really has been a nightmare for a lot of trucking companies and truck drivers when it comes to being able to the trucks being dependable anymore, which is very frustrating. Personal static trucking company. I mean, it’s difficult, but what do I mean, you know, so, so going in this direction? I mean, I guess the main reason I know, the big reason is, is the emissions. stuff, but with electric vehicles, is it? I mean, are companies? Why would a company want to go that route? Michael, why would they want a fleet of those trucks?

Michael Freeze  19:15

Well, I mean, you definitely have the missions, the mission angle of it is a big part of it, you know, especially when you’re dealing with, you know, like states like California, as I mean, they’re already going to have stringent regulations when it comes to that already. I mean, they’ve already pushed things, through their legislation, where companies are going to be forced to get into the electric world, whether they like it or not, you know, so I think that’s something that might be, you know, a pattern across the country. I mean, don’t quote me on it. Well, you can quote me on that, but that’s just my opinion. That’s just my opinion. But, but the point about the whole thing, Jeremy is I mean, like I said, it’s a it’s a it’s a brave new world, you know, but at that same time, we need to have these particular conversations number one One, you know, yes, that EVs are a hot and trendy thing to be talking about right now. But if it doesn’t make, you know, dollars and cents for your business, why get into it, you just don’t want to have an Eevee in your fleet just to say, hey, we have, you know, we have electric vehicles that we can deliver, you know, but, you know, if you don’t know where to charge him, you know, and, and then on top of that, Jeremy as well, we haven’t really even talked about the energy providers. So whoever is going to have that charging infrastructure, like I mentioned before, like maybe the owner of that warehouse, that he’s getting deliveries to, you know, thinking that he can get that market share by having a charging system for these class eight trucks are coming in, you know, so but that person has to deal with the energy providers. And that’s a whole nother part of training involved, what it takes to have that particular power to charge those vehicles. So that’s a whole nother,

Jeremy Kellett  20:58

What does that even look like? Do you know? Like, what a charging station would look like? Oh, yeah, I’ve seen it for like, I’ve seen it for like a Tesla or something somewhere from anywhere. But what would it look like? AKA, you know, for a commercial vehicle, I’ve never seen one?

Michael Freeze  21:15

Well, I mean, it I mean, I would say, aesthetically, it would probably look the same. I mean, I think as the years go by just like anything, electric and electronic that we’ve ever dealt with in our lifetimes, I think that the modem that we use for it is going to get smaller and smaller, you know, by the better steadily. It looks just like, I mean, you said at the supermarket, I mean, they kind of look like gas pumps in a way, but it’s just as a plug, instead of an actual pump and handle. I mean, so it’s going to be, I mean, the look of it is going to be interesting. Once you think about it, you know, it’s a very, I think that’s more aesthetically, aesthetically pleasing to the crowd than what the power that’s going to come out. I mean, I’ve I think it’s going to be something, as you know, it’s just a station that’s probably going to stand maybe, you know, four or five feet tall, and you just plug it into the outlet that that is in your electric vehicle, usually on the side or in the front. So it’s yeah, so that’s kind of what’s going on, it’s going to look like I think Jeremy, the big, always says this, I say this to my colleague, Ceph Clevenger. He’s the managing editor, managing editor of our features department, which I’m a part of. We have these conversations all the time, about just sort of what that infrastructure is going to look like. And then one of the phrases that we Bandy about all the time as those known unknowns, I’ll know, if you’re familiar with Donald Rumsfeld, who’s a former Defense Secretary, during the George W. Bush. And that was one of the things that he always said about it, when he was when we were talking about the Afghan or the Iraq war is just so those known unknowns, you know, and I apply that to apply that to this EV infrastructure, there’s a lot of known unknowns, and what I mean by that is, with that charge, you know, how are we going to facilitate that, you know, these trucks that are going from that point A to point B, be be it from, you know, Atlanta to Houston? Or, you know, or Macon Georgia to, you know, to Panama Beach, Florida, you know, I mean, it’s, you know, where are we going to have those particular points, you know, so, points, charge. And, you know, like I said before, who’s going to be the one who’s going to hold that mantle as the, this is the place where you go to charge your truck? So, those primitive things, I think, from where I’m sitting is going to be entertaining to watch how that unfolds. But that’s the big question right now. And that, like I said, that’s just a little piece of it, you know, because when these fleets, these warehouses, truck stops, when they get into the game, I mean, the trucks has already in the game, but I mean, when when these fleets for especially for your audience, when they want to invest in the Eevee because it is coming there’s a lot of questions about the recharging and if you want to provide that charge for other trucks, you know, speaking to the, you know, the energy providers in your area, or it’s going to be very helpful in determining whether these business ventures are going to be a success or a failure.

Jeremy Kellett  24:24

I guess the probably what they’re working on now is extending the life of the battery you know, the because the longer than a charge will go for Yeah, I guess will be is the, what they’re working on, I’m sure when it comes to that, you know, is improving the battery part of it? Which I think would be a challenge, you know, to be able to do that but I know they’re making you know, I compare it okay, this is a Jason rabbit here little bit Michael, but I compare it to a bass fisherman so when these bass boats, they are coming up they’ve got these lithium batteries now that are supposed to last forever, you know, cost a lot more than the regular AGM batteries or whatever they’re called. And they, you know, they’re pushing it to where you get a lot more performance and lasts a lot longer. And I can just see that with these electric vehicles and trying to get the batteries to last a maximum life a charge, you know, and then how many charges before they were out? And how often do you have to change out the batteries? And How expensive are they gonna be? You know, those questions are? If I’m looking at buying one, I mean, that’s gonna be my, the questions I have, is it going to be beneficial to me or not?

Michael Freeze  25:43

Yes, most definitely. One of the things you touched upon Jeremy was the battery, which with the diesel truck, you know, you have the internal combustion engine, that is the, you know, the mother lode of that diesel truck, where, with an electric truck that that mother lode is I mean, of course, the component board, but that battery, because that battery is going to mean just like the batteries with our phones, you know, we don’t have that battery, nothing’s working. So I mean, it’s quite the same with EVs. And on top of that, to Jeremy with the maintenance that’s involved, you know, that’s a very potentially dangerous item to hold. That’s where your training comes in. Because I mean, if you touch the wrong if you touch the wrong terminal, on that battery, that’s death. You know, that’s, I mean, that’s, I mean, it’s a very serious thing, especially when it comes to the maintenance. So, you know, for these guys who have guys and girls to pull up the hood of these EVs. You know, that’s one, I mean, that’s the simple, most dangerous item in that truck is that battery, I mean, if it’s not handled correctly, that can cause serious injury or death. So we definitely need to have that communication. And fleets and technicians are working on that, you know, the dealers, and as well as the OEM, so that’d be that’s definitely something that needs to be addressed. Definitely known. So you have that, but it’s definitely a big can of worms when it comes to EV. So if anyone listening right now wants to get in, I mean, I mean, it’s going to be a very exciting venture, you know, but you definitely have to know whether it makes sense or not. So I mean, guy, I know you guys are driving up and down the road. And you know, they’re worried about you know, the those minor things that worried about these big picture items that we’re talking about, like at this particular moment, but is a healthy conversation that they have these talks, where you want to see where the future is going because you definitely want to put yourself in that future.

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Jeremy Kellett  28:39

So let’s wrap it up here with a couple of questions. One is the effect of the independent contractor. That’s what we have here at Oakley trucking. What do those guys do I guess? What would you tell those guys that the future looks like for them or as an independent contractor? I mean, uh, you know, we don’t, you can’t just go in and buy an electric vehicle right now, if you want one, which I don’t think any of our guys are going to be looking to buy. But you never know. There’s some out there like that. But it’s gonna affect the independent contractor down the road at some point.

Michael Freeze  29:16

I’ll give you a frame of reference, Jeremy, you know, you know, Pepsi, you know, a private fleet. You know, they had their Tesla’s, the Tesla trucks. They just came in a few months ago. But they ordered them about maybe two, three years ago. So it’s a very long process. So I mean, the Eevee manufacturers were having the same supply chain issues that most manufacturers were having in the last year and a half. So you have that but at the same time, you know, as I mentioned before, the whole essence of having Eevee only makes sense if you know, your drivers can make that profit. Oh, of using that, you know, so you have that point, especially as a salesperson, or a person that you know is promoting EVs, you know, if you can tell that diesel driver, the benefit of having an Eevee, you know, rides quieter, you know, there’s less maintenance, that has to be done. But there’s still maintenance that has to be done. But those particular things, you know, if those things are attractive to your drivers, then you know, by all means, you know, you know, try to look to purchase one, but like I said, right now, it’s not that you can’t go into like a rush center and say, hey, you know, ICA SATA, give me give me that 2020.

Jeremy Kellett  30:39

Yeah, so a lot of them will look at it, you know, some guys will look at it, because fuel is the biggest expense that they have. And you look at that compared to the, you know, the cost of the truck, the maintenance, the batteries, the charging experience, you know, I’m sure you got to kind of compare that to see if it’s worth doing or not, but yeah, interesting. Interesting future gonna tell you for sure in this business.

Michael Freeze  31:04

Yes, it is. I hope I gave you enough information on EVs to get you started.

Jeremy Kellett  31:10

Oh, you did? Great. Michael. Appreciate it for one last question. You gonna be at the Mid America Truck Show?

Michael Freeze  31:16

Well, I Well, I think that’s going to bite into another trip. But I’m going on but I usually like to, I usually like to go there. I haven’t been there in several years, actually. So yeah, but I have already been on a business trip at that particular time.

Jeremy Kellett  31:31

Get you know, okay, well, no problem. We’ll be there. Full three days and talking about a lot of different things will actually be recorded on some of the Oakley podcasts there. So I was gonna tell you, if you are there, stop by and see us. And we’ll visit a little bit. But hey, I really appreciate you hanging with me, Michael. A really do. I mean, I’ve learned a lot just in this episode and listen to you. And it makes you think it really does make you think I’m anxious to see some of the feedback we get on this episode too, from this episode.

Michael Freeze  32:03

I know. It’s a lot to chew on. There’s a lot. We could be talking for hours about this.

Jeremy Kellett  32:09

All right, well, hey, you know, one thing I really like to thank is our listeners out there. You guys have been faithful through all these episodes, and I tried to bring you good content to listen to. And this is a little something different than we normally do. But I think it’s good information that we all need to hear and can learn so, but I thank y’all for week in and week out you listening to the Oakley podcast? Be sure to subscribe to the comments. blog, check us out. If you have questions. For Michael freeze, send them to me. You know, you can email me, you can go to the website of the Oakley podcast, and send me any questions and I will forward them to him.

Michael Freeze  32:51

Just want to say you know if anybody has any questions for me, they can contact me directly as well. My email address is mfreeze@news.com.

Jeremy Kellett  33:01

Thank you. We will put that up. No problem. We got in contact. No. Good deal, man. All right. Thanks, everybody, for listening. Thanks, Michael. For you, man. We appreciate you tuning in with us, and helping us learn a little bit more about these EVs and all our listeners out there and we’ll talk to you next week. Thanks. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Oakley podcast: trucking, business, and family. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to rate or review the show on the podcast platform of your choice and share it with a friend. We love hearing from our audience, so if you’ve got a question, comment, or just want to say hello, head over to our website, theoakleypodcast.com, and click the “leave a comment” button. We’ll get you a response soon and may even share some of the best ones here on the show. We’ll be back with a fresh episode very soon. Thanks for listening.